Ep. 199: Get Thee to a Nunnery w/ Author Margot Douaihy

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EQ: How do you navigate the intersections of crime fiction, poetry, and identity to create stories that challenge genre conventions and expand the boundaries of storytelling?

We sit down with  Margot Douaihy, author of the Sister Holiday Crime Series (Scorched Grace, Blessed Water), Bandit/Queen: The Runaway Story of Belle Starr, and numerous poetry collections (Scranton Lace, Girls Like You) to explore storytelling as both a craft and a form of personal inquiry. Margot shares how growing up in a Maronite Christian household shaped her writing, how the Bible itself is full of crime stories, and why faith, redemption, and identity drive her work. We also discuss how dynamic, flawed characters reflect and refract society, providing readers with an opportunity for self examination and even entry points into perspectives they know very little about. By writing such characters, Margot gives readers a stake in larger conversations about morality, the tension between beauty and terror, and humanity’s search for answers. Additionally, we discuss LGBTQ+ representation in crime fiction, and why now more than ever we must support queer authors and stories that certain powers want to bury.

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Hope: Grab a copy of Scorched Grace or one of Margot’s poetry collections.

  • Annie: Support queer authors always, but especially now. Not only do we need queer voices in publishing, the political landscape is in shambles and those stories are critical to hold onto hope and joy and prepare for what’s next. If you can, buy physical media. We’ve seen enough digital things disappearing lately that this is your sign to buy the books you love and the books you’ll love soon, like Margot’s. 

  • Margot: Read legal thrillers, particularly Robyn Gigl’s Erin McGabe Mysteries Series

Ep. 198: Hard Hats & Hard Truths: Michelle Bates on Women in Construction

EQ: What do you believe are the most significant changes needed in the construction industry to create a more inclusive and supportive environment for women in trades, and how can individuals and organizations contribute to this transformation?

We’re back with part two of our series on diversifying the trades! Listen to our previous conversation in Ep 189: Wired for Change w/ Alejandra Alexander

This time, we’re talking with Michelle Bates, a total powerhouse with 30 years in the construction industry. Michelle grew up bouncing between Ontario and British Columbia and now runs Echelon Creative, where she tackles everything from commercial and civil projects to factory-built homes and custom log structures. We get into her journey—what drew her to the trades, the challenges she faced as a woman in a male-dominated field, and what still needs to change to make the industry more inclusive. From breaking down misconceptions to shouting out resources like Women in Construction, Michelle shares her take on how we can all help move the needle.

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Annie: if you’re a woman, non-binary, or trans person interested in a career in the trades in the Seattle-Tacoma area and don’t know where to start, check out the pre-apprenticeship programs at ANEW, based out of Tukwila. It’s not too late to start - I changed careers at 30 and there were multiple people in my pre-apprenticeship class in their late 30s and early 40s. 

  • Michelle: Women in Construction (Vancouver Island Construction Association)

Ep. 197: Climate Anxiety & Sacred Resilience with Dr. Suzanne Crawford O’Brien

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EQ: How can the community built at the intersection of religion, indigenous perspectives, and climate anxiety lead us to personal and collective resilience in the pursuit of a more sustainable world?

In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Suzanne Crawford O’Brien, professor of Religion and Culture at Pacific Lutheran University. Suzanne shares her journey into academia, including the defining moments that led her to focus on comparative religious studies, Native American studies, and environmental studies. She explains the concept of climate anxiety, how it impacts individuals and communities, and how her recent course “Climate Anxiety & Spiritual Resilience” integrates the psychology of this anxiety with interfaith approaches to building resilience while pursuing justice and sustainability. She postulates that solving the climate crisis is way beyond ourselves—beyond the natural world and we need to tap into the supernatural or spiritual ways of being and thinking to really tackle the problem. We discuss the role of faith communities and spiritual practices in addressing climate grief and helping us “metabolize grief.” Finally, Dr. Suzanne suggests that we must cultivate what Thic Nhat Hanh coins as our “inner meditator, artist, and warrior” if we want to see true sustainable change.

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Hope: Follow Suzanne on Substack!

  • Annie: Mr. Rogers always said, when things are scary, look for the helpers. Look for the organizations and people who are doing great work to raise awareness of the climate crisis and take actionable steps to improve outcomes, like Indigenous Climate Action and Earthjustice. The helpers are there, even right now: Klamath Tribes and Navajo Nation have deployed firefighters to combat the fires in the LA area. It may feel like a small thing, but getting your hands dirty yourself can really help restore some small sense of hope, too. Locally, the Pierce County Conservation District has volunteer opportunities in habitat restoration. 

  • Suzanne: Cole Arthur Riley’s “This Flesh Here”; Thich Nhat Hanh’s “Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet” and “Meeting the Enemy” by Kevin O’Brien

Ep. 196: New Year, Fresh Reads with Sweetpea Flaherty

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EQ: What books or trends do you think will define the reading experience for 2025, both for individual readers and the community your bookstore serves?

Today, we are back with the one and only Sweetpea Flaherty of King’s Books in Tacoma. Sweepea talks us through anticipated book releases for this spring. Get something to write with, because you’re going to want to take notes!

Support Bookstores

Support Libraries:

Nonfiction:

  • Dark Laboratory: On Columbus, the Caribbean, and the Origins of the Climate Crisis by Tao Leigh Goffe

  • Strike : Labor, Unions, and Resistance in the Roman Empire by Sarah E Bond

  • Authority by Andrea Long Chu

Memoir/Biography

  • Harder I Fight the More I Love You by Neko Case

  • Rachel Carson and the Power of Queer Love by Lida Maxwell

Picture Books

  • Make a Pretty Sound : A Story of Ella Jenkins—The First Lady of Children's Music by Traci N. Todd, Eleanor Davis

  • Make Your Mark : The Empowering True Story of the First Known Black Female Tattoo Artist by Jacci Gresham, Sherry Fellores

  • Yáadilá! : Good Grief! by Laurel Goodluck, Jonathan Nelson

  • Rise Up!: Powerful Protests in American History by Rachel C. Katz, Sophie Bass

Teen

  • They Bloom at Night by Tran Thanh Tran

Poetry

  • Strange Beach by Oluwaseun Olayiwola

  • Eternal Dice by César Vallejo

  • Buzzkill Clamshell  by Amber Dawn

Fiction

  • Life of Herod the Great by Zora Neale Hurston

  • Death of the Author by Nnedi Okorafor

  • Relationship Mechanic by Karmen Lee

  • Listen to Your Sister by Neena Vel

  • Stag Dance by Torrey Peters

  • Buffalo Hunter Hunter by Stephen Graham Jones

Great Gifts

  • Black in Blues : How a Color Tells the Story of My People by Imani Perry

  • Bookstore Romance : Love Speaks Volumes by Judith Rosen

Ep. 195: Māori Sovereignty, the Treaty Principles Bill, and Global Solidarity w/ Naketa Ikihele

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EQ: How are recent legislative policies rewriting or challenging Māori rights, and what does this mean for the future of education and social equity in New Zealand?

In this episode of Interchangeable White Ladies, Hope reconnects with former guest, Naketa Ikihele, educator, activist and leadership coach. Naketa previously appeared on the podcast in Ep 61: Fighting to Equity in NZ Public Schools. Today, we meet up to discuss the evolving dynamics of Māori sovereignty and the contentious Treaty Principles Bill in Aotearoa New Zealand. Naketa sheds light on the nature of indigenous governance, how Māori rights are recognized (or not) within the country and unpack the bill’s implications, including the closure of the Māori Health Authority, the prioritization of English over Te Reo Māori, and the principles redefining governance and equality under the law. We highlight the viral haka protest by MP Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke and the ongoing public outcry, with submissions on the bill still being accepted. For our global listeners, we delve into how to support Māori rights and the broader implications of such policies on education and cultural recognition. Join us to deepen your understanding of leadership, governance, and solidarity across cultures.

Check out Nateka’s organization “Cultivating Cultures”

Related Resources:

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Hope: Read a book! Maybe something from this list

  • Naketa: Get actively involved. Write a submission by Jan 7!

Ep. 194: Holiday Realness: Staying Grounded This Season

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EQ: How do the seasons we’re in (socially, politically, and financially) shape the way we navigate current events, embrace fall transitions, and connect with family during the holidays?

Get ready to cozy up with us as we dive into fall vibes, holiday chaos, and winter wellness! We’re talking favorite autumn traditions (snacks, sweats, and staying sane), navigating tricky family gatherings (boundaries, overplanning, and maybe just not going), and tips for staying healthy when it’s dark and cold (hello, YouTube yoga and heated vests). Plus, we share underreported stories, viral moments that warmed our hearts, and some holiday memories in this episode of IWL. Tune in for a blend of humor, heartfelt advice, and inspiration to carry you through the season!

References:

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Hope: Take care of yourself! Build in something that is de-stressing for you

  • Annie: Go to your local coffee place and enjoy a yummy drink!

Ep. 193: Rethinking Feminism for Collective Liberation w/ author Serene Khader

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In this episode, we explore  the transformative ideas presented in Faux Feminism: Why We Fall for White Feminism and How We Can Stop with author Serene Khader.  The conversation begins with the author's unique perspective on feminism, shaped by her personal and academic journey, and the central thesis of the book: dismantling "The Freedom Myth." This pervasive misconception reframes feminism as individual freedom rather than collective equality, leaving systemic oppression intact. Each chapter unpacks a different "myth" surrounding modern feminism, from the "Restriction Myth" of equating oppression solely with personal limitations to the "Individualism Myth," which falsely prioritizes personal success over structural change. The discussion also tackles intersectionality, cultural hegemony, and the role of privilege in perpetuating inequality. Together, we explore practical solutions for breaking down entrenched hierarchies, the need for solidarity in feminist movements, and how societal structures must evolve to achieve true liberation. Whether you're new to these ideas or looking to deepen your understanding, this episode is for you!

Do Your Fudging Homework

  • Annie: Read this book to support Serene’s work. It’s available everywhere in every format. Get to it and support your local bookseller in the process!

  • Serene: Learn about movements to value domestic and care labor. National Domestic Workers Alliance. 

  • Hope: Read things that push you outside of your comfort zone or reframe ideas.

Ep. 192: The Arc of the Moral Universe Seems Like It's Bending Towards Hell

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In this episode, Hope, Annie and Doug process their reactions to the 2024 US Election results, processing a mix of anger, exhaustion, and disbelief. With Republicans securing power across all three branches, we’re all struggling to find hope. Annie reflects on the jolt of living in her "blue bubble," while Hope wrestles with disgust  over Trump's continued support, particularly from Christian Evangelicals and white women. Coping mechanisms are all over the place—from exercising to keep our anxieties at bay to avoiding political news. Project 2025 and its potential threat to democratic freedoms weighs heavily on our souls. As we look ahead, we encourage listeners to sit in whatever stage of grief  they may be in, and perhaps adopt emergency plans and "doomsday prepper" mindsets as we brace for a politically charged future. Our takeaway: care for yourself and your community, and stay engaged because the 2026 midterms are around the corner, and there’s more work to do.

Ep. 191: Reparations in Action: Building Racial Equity in Tacoma

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In this episode, we sit down with Nicole Jordan, a Black, queer activist with deep ties to Tacoma’s Hilltop community and Laurie Arnold, an educator and longtime social justice advocate focused on racial justice. Together with a cohort of strong women, lead Tacoma Does Reparations, a grassroots initiative dedicated to reparative payments for Black womxn living in Tacoma. This conversation dives into the organization's origins, the scope of their work, and their vision for racial equity. Listeners will hear about the concept of reparations, both broadly and specifically in the context of Tacoma. Laurie and Nicole discuss past reparative efforts as models for the Tacoma initiative, common misconceptions and challenges they’ve faced. Most importantly we explore why reparations are essential to addressing racial wealth disparities. 

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Ep. 190: Intersectional Story-Telling & Why Anger is Healthy with Author Sonora Reyes

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EQ: How do stories that center queer and Latinx identities challenge mainstream narratives in literature, and what role do they play in fostering greater understanding and representation across both young adult and adult genres?

In this episode of IWL, we are joined by author Sonora Reyes. Sonora is most known for their hit YA novels The Lesbiana's Guide to Catholic School and The Luis Ortega Survival Club. We get personal with Sonora about how their unique identities influence their stories and the importance of staying authentic when representing complex, intersectional characters.

We also talk about how queer and Latinx stories are reshaping mainstream narratives in literature—both in young adult and adult genres. Sonora shares their writing process, from balancing genres to what’s inspiring them right now, and how community plays a center role in their writing. We learn more (and geek out about) their upcoming Adult Romance novel The Broposal.

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Sonora: Self-Care App: Finch

  • Hope/Annie: Please support Sonora’s work by purchasing and sharing their books (support your local bookstores!)

Ep. 189: Wired for Change--Inclusion in the Electrical Trade

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EQ: To what extent are the trades becoming more welcoming and inclusive for anyone who is not white, CIS, male and in what ways are they still woefully retrograde?

Note to listeners: We hope this will be part of a larger series on women in the trades.

In this episode, we discuss the challenges and progress surrounding diversity and inclusion in the trades with Alejandra Alexander, a writer, visual artist, and former electrician. Alejandra shares her personal journey from the trades and explores the systemic barriers faced by women, non-binary, and trans individuals in construction and other skilled trades. We explore  the disconnect between the industry’s stated goals for diversity and the realities on the ground, touching on issues like representation, discrimination, and the small but important cultural shifts that are beginning to take place. Alejandra also offers advice for anyone thinking about joining the trades and what she wishes she had known before getting started. To learn more about Alejandra visit her substack. 

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Ep. 188: Self Care For Social Change--How Women Are Leading w/ author Tiffany Bluhm

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EQ: How can a balanced  understanding of self-love, self-care, and identity help us navigate societal expectations and live authentically while serving others?

In this episode of IWL, Hope is joined by the inspiring Tiffany Bluhm, a speaker, writer, and author of The Women We’ve Been Waiting For, Prey Tell, and more. Tiffany brings over 15 years of experience in ministry and nonprofit leadership, and her work focuses on the intersection of faith, justice, and personal growth. Together, they explore how a balanced understanding of self-love, self-care, and identity can help us navigate societal expectations, live authentically, and push for meaningful change. Tiffany emphasizes that self-care isn't just about personal well-being—it’s also a vital component of social change and service to others. Tiffany also shares a sneak peek into her latest 40-day devotional, The Women We’ve Been Waiting For, and reflects on how her writing has evolved to meet the current moment of spiritual and social transformation.

  • Grab a copy of Tiffany’s devotional and join other women in reading every day leading up to the election.

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Hope: Get a copy or check out her writing The 5 Practices to Take Back Your Life–can you tell use 1 or 2? Then folks can go to your website to get the rest.

  • Tiffany: Take deep breathes! Sign up for two free chapters of my upcoming book!

Ep. 187: Behind the Plexiglass: What Retail Security Reveals About Us

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EQ: How do theft and loss prevention (security practices) reflect broader societal issues such as economic inequality and access to essential goods and what does this say about us today?

In today’s episode, inspired by a Target observation, Hope and Annie dive into the complex and often frustrating world of theft and loss prevention in retail stores. They explore how the increasing trend of locking up everyday items—ranging from cold medicine and baby formula to crayons and deodorant—reflects broader societal issues such as economic inequality and access to essential goods. The conversation examines what it means for our society when basic necessities are consistently among the most stolen items and the implications of these security measures on both consumers and retail workers. Ultimately, they question what these “security measures”  say about our society today.

Resources Referenced:

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Hope: Notice what’s going on in your neighborhood

  • Annie: Observe how your local store with locked merchandise handles it - like watch how it operates in the context of this conversation. Please share your hot takes and photos on social media and Slack if you’re a member of Channel 253! The first step in understanding this problem is to turn on the lights!

Ep. 186: Pumpkin Spice and Bookish Advice w/ Sweetpea Flaherty

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EQ: Which books should be on your fall reading list this year, and how do they reflect and respond to today's societal and current events?

Get ready to spice up your fall reading list with the one and only Sweetpea Flaherty from King’s Books in Tacoma! We’re talking seasonal book cravings, why non-fiction suddenly gets so popular, and the must-read sci-fi and speculative fiction that’s heating up the shelves. Plus, Sweetpea spills the tea (or should we say pumpkin spice latte?) on debut authors, hidden gems, and the best cookbooks and gift sets to grab this season. We’ll also chat about creating the coziest autumn reading nook and why it’s time to decolonize that bookshelf. Join us for laughs, book talk, and a few tips on getting seriously cozy this fall!

Poetry Recs:

  • Latino Poetry: The Library of America Anthology, Rigoberto González

  • Forest of Noise, Mosab Abu Toha

  • Blues in Stereo: The Early Works of Langston Hughes, Langston Hughes

  • What Remains: The Collected Poems of Hannah Arendt, Hannah Arendt

Food & Drink Recs:

  • Good Lookin' Cookin' : A Year of Meals - A Lifetime of Family, Friends, and Food, Dolly Parton, Rachel Parton George

  • Modern Navajo Kitchen : Homestyle Recipes that Celebrate the Flavors and Traditions of the Diné, Alana Yazzie

  • Wild Chocolate : Across the Americas in Search of Cacao's Soul, Rowan Jacobsen

  • Our South : Black Food Through My Lens, Ashleigh Shanti

Memoir/Biography Recs:

  • Survival Is a Promise : The Eternal Life of Audre Lorde, Alexis Pauline Gumbs

  • Thousand Threads : A Memoir, Neneh Cherry

Nonfiction Recs:

  • Turning to Stone : Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks, Marcia Bjornerud

  • Erasing History : How Fascists Rewrite the Past to Control the Future, Jason Stanley

  • Message, Ta-Nehisi Coates

  • Black Utopians : Searching for Paradise and the Promised Land in America, Aaron Robertson

  • Last Stand of the Raven Clan : A Story of Imperial Ambition, Native Resistance and How the Tlingit-Russian War Shaped a Continent, Gerald Easter, Mara Vorhees

  • Resist : How a Century of Young Black Activists Shaped America, Rita Omokha

  • Serviceberry : Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World, Robin Wall Kimmerer

Fiction Recs:

  • She Who Knows, Nnedi Okorafor

  • Absolution, Jeff VanderMeer

  • Mighty Red, Lousie Erdrich

  • Model Home, Rivers Solomon

  • Jamaica Ginger and Other Concoctions, Nalo Hopkinson

  • City and Its Uncertain Walls, Haruki Murakami

Great Gifts:

  • Visualizing Palestine : A Chronicle of Colonialism and the Struggle for Liberation, Jessica Anderson, Aline Batarseh

  • On Freedom, Timothy Snyder

  • Modern Magic : Stories, Rituals, and Spells for Contemporary Witches,  Michelle Tea

  • Korean Feminist Artists : Confront and Deconstruct, Kim Hong-hee, Kim Hyesoon

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Annie: Perpetual advice: support your local bookstore. If you don’t have one, support King’s Books via online orders on their website, kingsbookstore.com

    • If you’re a busy reader and haven’t yet, consider starting  your own book list with a rating system. I’ve found that it helps me not only track the books I’ve read, but also making better recommendations for others. 

  • Hope: Another call to decolonize your bookshelf–just pick 1 outside your comfort zone.

  • Sweetpea: jump into a world you know nothing about!

Ep. 185: How to Talk to Unhinged People & Not Lose Your Own Mind in the Process

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Get ready for a lively and insightful episode with Doug, Annie, and Hope as they dive into the tricky waters of talking politics with conservative relatives, friends, and colleagues. Ever felt nervous or awkward about these conversations? You're not alone! We’re here to help you navigate these discussions with respect, understanding, and maybe even a bit of humor.

We’ll cover everything from setting healthy boundaries and respecting yourself, to finding common ground and keeping relationships positive despite differences. Discover fun and effective strategies for turning heated debates into learning sessions, and learn how to gently address misinformation without sparking World War III at the dinner table.

Whether it’s asking the right questions, focusing on shared human experiences, or knowing when to walk away, this episode is packed with practical tips and personal stories. Grab a cup of coffee (or something stronger), and join us for a candid and entertaining chat about making those political conversations a little less daunting.

Chat GPT Confirms This Discussion:

  1. Set Clear Intentions/Boundaries

  2. Active Listening

  3. Stay Calm and Respectful:

  4. Find Common Ground

  5. Ask Questions

  6. Share Personal Stories

  7. Avoid Personal Attacks

  8. Offer Credible Sources/Information

  9. Agree to Disagree

  10. Know When to Walk Away

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Annie: Let go of your guilt over “not doing enough.”

  • Doug: Show vulnerability (don’t open yourself up for attack)

  • Hope: White people–do the work; stop expecting people of color to save us

Ep. 184: Hot & Steamy Summer Reads w/ Sweetpea Flaherty

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EQ: How do the themes of summer and romance intertwine to create compelling stories, and what makes these books perfect for the season?

In this episode, we explore the enchanting blend of summer and romance in literature with Sweetpea Flaherty, the owner of King's Books in Tacoma. Sweetpea, a veteran bookseller since 2000 and recipient of the 2019 Stella Cameron Bookseller of the Year Award, shares insights on how these themes create perfect seasonal reads. We delve into changes in publishing over the last five years, highlighting increased representation. Sweetpea also discusses "Rules for Readers," emphasizing the importance of enjoying your reading journey, whether that means not finishing unenjoyable books or reading non-linearly. Tune in for an engaging conversation on summer romance novels and practical reading tips. Visit kingsbookstore.com for more information.

Recommended Titles:

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Annie: Bright Falls Series by Ashley Herring Blake - queer female romance, clever and funny, quick and easy reads with relatable, well-developed, and lovable characters. All stories center around the same small Oregon town and it’s got the You-Can-Go-Home-Again trope written all over it. Most anticipated LGBTQ Romances of 2024 

  • Hope: Try a new book this summer–push yourself out of your reading comfort zone

  • Sweet Pea: Considering what is happening in the world, seek out and read trans authors in every genre! sweetpea@kingsbooks.com; books@kingsbooks.com

Ep 183: Pickles & Precedents

Note to Listeners: we recorded BEFORE the immunity ruling so we do not discuss this. Thanks for understanding.

EQ: What are the most significant recent SCOTUS rulings, what immediate impact do they have on everyday Americans, and how might they influence upcoming elections?

In this unique and engaging episode, we combine an analysis of recent Supreme Court rulings with a fun and flavorful pickle tasting experience. We delve into 6 rulings we think are especially important,  analyzing their significance through several critical questions. We explore the broader implications of these rulings for civil rights and liberties in the United States.The episode emphasizes the importance of citizens staying informed and engaged with the implications of these rulings. As we discussed each ruling, we tasted the corresponding pickle-flavored item, sharing our reactions and ratings.

Ep. 182: Summer Sizzle: Books, Beats, and Beach Politics

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EQ: What’s cooking this summer and how can we make the most of it?

Get ready for a sizzling summer with this silly episode. We're diving into fun in the sun, cold drinks, self-care, and social justice. From reading the latest books and curating your summer soundtrack to anticipating blockbuster movies and discussing summer fashion trends, we’ve got you covered. Plus, we'll share our thoughts on the political landscape ahead of the presidential election. Set a summer goal, support your local libraries, and join us for an unforgettable summer of enjoyment and empowerment!

Resources to Check:

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Annie: make a summer goal for yourself, either to have more adventures outside, get involved in a political cause, or drink more water. It doesn’t have to be anything crazy, just give yourself something to look forward to and something you’ll be proud of yourself for accomplishing. 

  • Hope: to piggy back off that–if you’re someone who plans a million things for your kids or cats, do something for yourself as well.

Ep. 181: The Power of Racial Healing w/ Tovi Scruggs-Hussein

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Essential Question: How can prioritizing racial healing contribute to the effectiveness of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging (DEIB) initiatives?

Guest:  Tovi Scruggs-Hussein, former guest on the podcast–summer of 2020 (Ep 77) when we discussed racial healing as a crucial component of achieving equity in schools and communities.

In this episode, we delve into the work and philosophy of Tieces, a transformative figure in mindfulness and social healing. For those unfamiliar with Tieces, their work focuses on fostering healing-centered and trauma-responsive leadership, with a particular emphasis on equity, inclusion, and belonging. Tieces’ tailored meditations and insightful writings have resonated deeply across diverse audiences, addressing both personal and collective healing.

Tieces’ work reaches a broad audience but is particularly impactful for individuals and leaders committed to social justice and personal transformation. While some of their writing addresses white people, offering pathways to greater awareness and allyship, their overall approach is inclusive and geared toward anyone seeking deeper understanding and healing.

Join us as we explore these profound insights and practical strategies for fostering healing and dynamic leadership in today's complex world.

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Ep. 180: Read Less Basic--Nice White Ladies Abroad

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Our ongoing discussion revolves around Jessie Daniels' impactful book, "Nice White Ladies," published last spring. We previously interviewed Jessie Daniels in Ep 165 in November and featured in Ep 176: Read Less Basic Book Club with Annie Jansen, Chrisstina McDade, and Marco Manuel in April.

Given the richness of this book, we’ve brought in some incredible guests and longtime listeners to further challenge and expand our thinking, particularly weaving in perspectives as international teachers living outside of the West.. Joining us today is Crissy Calera, Christine Bates, and Adi Anicole.